Re: SANFL 1960-1999

by robranisgod Mon Jun 20, 2016 9:11 pm

robranisgod wrote:
bayman wrote:rig, what was Souths' jumper like before King Kerley took over as coach ?

They had a navy blue Guernsey with a small SA insignia on the breast, similar in size I guess to St Kilda's shield on their Guernsey.

I might be out by a year or so, but I think that they wore that Guernsey from 1960-63. Prior to that they wore the Geelong Guernsey for about 3 years and before that the small insignia for a number of years.

In their 1938, though they wore the big SA.

In the photos of the SA Hall of Fame, pre war players George Mulcahy, Lenny Lapthorne and Jack Dawes as well as 1950s player Alan Hickinbotham are wearing the 1963 style Guernsey. Jimmy Deane is wearing the 1957-59 Guernsey.

SANFL 1960-1999 - Page 4 Hall-of-fame

www.safc.com.au/hall-of-fame.html

by robranisgod Mon Jun 20, 2016 9:32 pm

Chambo Off To Work We Go wrote:
robranisgod wrote:
Chambo Off To Work We Go wrote:I'm sure someone will now this.

I have often wondered why North Adelaide has a big "V" on its jumper.
I have seen that it used to have a white yoke up until about the late 60s.

But 1971 (and maybe a year or two before) it changed to a proper V the same as the Victorian state jumper.

What were the origins of that change and why?

I note that the current jumper has dropped the white tabs across the top of the V, but it is still a distinct "V" rather than a yoke.

Just curious.

Traditionally North always had a V not a yoke, but the V was normally up higher. I have never seen North with a yoke.

In May, 1970 new North coach, Mike Patterson, a Victorian, changed the Guernsey to the big "V".

I have always thought that it was a very impressive and perhaps more intimidating Guernsey than the higher V. It is personal taste but I have always thought that Port and North have the most impressive, intimidating guernseys. Shame North don't play that way. I could never understand why South Melbourne/Sydney wore the white with red V Guernsey. To me it is insipid in comparison to the red background.

I nearly gave North up when they changed to the Candy Stripes.

Many coaches change a Guernsey, Kerley did it at every club he was associated with at some stage, Killigrew changed Norwood to the Melbourne Guernsey, Fos Williams changed Port back to the Prison bars and even Sturt has had subtle changes to their Guernsey in more recent years and of course didn't always have the monogrammed Guernsey.

Thanks RIG,
Sorry yes the V went up to the shoulder and not a yoke as such. Some of them were broader than others.
Interesting that Patterson went for a V.

I prefer the old Sturt monogram than the new taller one.
They use the old one on some of the merchandise.

As a trivial aside, soon after Patterson changed North to the big V, my high school, which wore a royal blue Guernsey with a white V up near the shoulders changed to the big V. It transformed our first XVIII. We went from being an easybeat to a power. We played in the Grand Final that year and won the premiership two years later when Scrappy's brother, Scrappy with a silent "S", scored the winning goal. The Big V seemingly made us bullet proof. Given that North won flags in 1971 and 1972 was it the Big V, or was it the fact that the greatest footballer any of us are likely to see was coming into his prime?

by bayman Mon Jun 20, 2016 11:43 pm

robranisgod wrote:
robranisgod wrote:
bayman wrote:rig, what was Souths' jumper like before King Kerley took over as coach ?

They had a navy blue Guernsey with a small SA insignia on the breast, similar in size I guess to St Kilda's shield on their Guernsey.

I might be out by a year or so, but I think that they wore that Guernsey from 1960-63. Prior to that they wore the Geelong Guernsey for about 3 years and before that the small insignia for a number of years.

In their 1938, though they wore the big SA.

In the photos of the SA Hall of Fame, pre war players George Mulcahy, Lenny Lapthorne and Jack Dawes as well as 1950s player Alan Hickinbotham are wearing the 1963 style Guernsey. Jimmy Deane is wearing the 1957-59 Guernsey.

www.safc.com.au/hall-of-fame.html

just got home from work & it is a bit late now to look at link, but will do, but i have to ask as off side to it, that being with the Geelong style jumpers would one of their former coaches Bob Davis had any influence on that ?

by rocket_rooster Tue Jun 21, 2016 5:27 am

bayman wrote:
robranisgod wrote:
robranisgod wrote:
bayman wrote:rig, what was Souths' jumper like before King Kerley took over as coach ?

They had a navy blue Guernsey with a small SA insignia on the breast, similar in size I guess to St Kilda's shield on their Guernsey.

I might be out by a year or so, but I think that they wore that Guernsey from 1960-63. Prior to that they wore the Geelong Guernsey for about 3 years and before that the small insignia for a number of years.

In their 1938, though they wore the big SA.

In the photos of the SA Hall of Fame, pre war players George Mulcahy, Lenny Lapthorne and Jack Dawes as well as 1950s player Alan Hickinbotham are wearing the 1963 style Guernsey. Jimmy Deane is wearing the 1957-59 Guernsey.

www.safc.com.au/hall-of-fame.html

just got home from work & it is a bit late now to look at link, but will do, but i have to ask as off side to it, that being with the Geelong style jumpers would one of their former coaches Bob Davis had any influence on that ?

As far as I know Bobby Davis never coached South. I once heard that they had to change away from the Geelong style Guernsey because it clashed too much with the Port Guernsey.

I have vague recollections of seeing South play at Prospect in the Geelong style Guernsey. I would have been 4 at the time!!!

In 1962 my cousin played for South Junior Colts (under 17s) in the Grand Final of that grade and they definitely wore the hoops even though the league were wearing the small monogram. I guess the guernseys were probably handmedowns. They lost narrowly to Woodville which was a clash of the minnows.

by bayman Tue Jun 21, 2016 6:17 pm

rr, Bobby Davis most definitely coached South Adelaide, i can't remember the actual story now but basically Geelong wouldn't clear him & he had to coach from ''the car park'' after maybe 6-8 weeks, he went back to Geelong

by robranisgod Tue Jun 21, 2016 7:59 pm

bayman wrote:rr, Bobby Davis most definitely coached South Adelaide, i can't remember the actual story now but basically Geelong wouldn't clear him & he had to coach from ''the car park'' after maybe 6-8 weeks, he went back to Geelong

I am not sure if Bobby Davis actually coached South. I believe he was named as coach in 1952, but Geelong wouldn't clear him and he returned to Geelong in time to play in Round 6. South's historical section on their website doesn't mention him as an actual coach. I have emailed their historian seeking clarification.

Anyway that was 1952. South didn't wear the Geelong style Guernsey until 1957 so it clearly had nothing to do with Bobby Davis' appointment.

by robranisgod Wed Jun 22, 2016 8:07 am

RR is correct. Bobby Davis never coached South, neither officially or unofficially. South certainly did chase him to coach in 1952. John Althorp goes to great lengths to explain the situation in his biography on Jimmy Deane. Davis sought a clearance to South but worked for the News as a guest columnist whilst waiting for the clearance. He returned to Geelong after a few rounds and played in a second Geelong premiership that year.

If you don't have a copy of the book, your mate Scrappy certainly does, and I am sure he could either transcribe the text for you or lend you the book.

by bayman Wed Jun 22, 2016 7:16 pm

ok fair enough but one question remains unanswered was he actually appointed coach ? (pending a clearance)

by rocket_rooster Wed Jun 22, 2016 8:31 pm

bayman wrote:ok fair enough but one question remains unanswered was he actually appointed coach ? (pending a clearance)

Jimmy Deane was appointed playing/coach but was advised that he should relinquish the position should Davis win a clearance.

Deane had sought a clearance to Richmond over the summer but this was refused and he originally hadn't been an applicant for the 1952 South coaching position whereas Davis had been.

Davis returned to Geelong where he immediately played in another premiership.

South actually improved under Deane that year and finished 7th with 5 wins compared to the previous year where it came bottom with only one win.

by Scrappy Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:42 pm

R.I.P
Peter Endersbee
Played for Sturt 1968-1971
Played 46 games, that included 3 Premierships

1968 Grand Final
ST....3-3...5-11...10-13...12-18 [90]
PA....3-4....4-4.....6-6.......9-9 [63]

The press of the day could have punned 'Peters Pocket'
Peter Endersbee kicked 2 check side goals that day in the scoreboard pocket
Endersbee scored 4-3 in that Grand Final
The Endersbee 27 point contribution ends up being the final margin of that match as well

" Kicking 2 in a row proves it wasn't a fluke."
By
Peter Endersbee
Comment made in an interview in 2014

by Scrappy Sun Jul 24, 2016 11:36 pm

Letter to the press
Subject : Bruce MaCavaney

SPECIAL WINGMAN
I played football with Bruce in the under 19s at Woodville in the 1970s and remember him as a great bloke and a very skillful player
My abiding memory of Bruce was his preference for playing on the wing, where he could station a friend on the boundary with a transistor radio
That way he could keep TABs on his punting fortunes while picking up some easy kicks
The coach would sometimes offer Bruce a run on the ball but he would claim he was more the stay at home wingman!

by rocket_rooster Tue Jul 26, 2016 1:44 pm

Speaking of Bruce McAvaney, did anyone else breathe a huge sigh of relief when Hamish McLachlan addressed the pronunciation of Bruce's surname.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/hamish-mclachlan-walks-through-bruce-mcavaneys-special-career/news-story/b6d51f289d8e78dad5e6eaaeedcf5d3f

Most good South Australian commentators like David Wildy, Chris Dittmar, Ray Fewings and latterly Graham Cornes have always got it right. Bruce says it didn't worry him but being such a stickler himself for correct pronunciation, deep down it must have hurt.

I was always taught that the correct pronunciation of a man's name is of the utmost importance.

by robranisgod Tue Jul 26, 2016 2:09 pm

rocket_rooster wrote:Speaking of Bruce McAvaney, did anyone else breathe a huge sigh of relief when Hamish McLachlan addressed the pronunciation of Bruce's surname.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/hamish-mclachlan-walks-through-bruce-mcavaneys-special-career/news-story/b6d51f289d8e78dad5e6eaaeedcf5d3f

Most good South Australian commentators like David Wildy, Chris Dittmar, Ray Fewings and latterly Graham Cornes have always got it right. Bruce says it didn't worry him but being such a stickler himself for correct pronunciation, deep down it must have hurt.

I was always taught that the correct pronunciation of a man's name is of the utmost importance.

Excellent post RR. The ignorant Victorian pronunciation of Bruce's surname has always been like Chalk on a blackboard to me. Most irritating.

by Chambo Off To Work We Go Tue Jul 26, 2016 7:10 pm

robranisgod wrote:
rocket_rooster wrote:Speaking of Bruce McAvaney, did anyone else breathe a huge sigh of relief when Hamish McLachlan addressed the pronunciation of Bruce's surname.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/hamish-mclachlan-walks-through-bruce-mcavaneys-special-career/news-story/b6d51f289d8e78dad5e6eaaeedcf5d3f

Most good South Australian commentators like David Wildy, Chris Dittmar, Ray Fewings and latterly Graham Cornes have always got it right. Bruce says it didn't worry him but being such a stickler himself for correct pronunciation, deep down it must have hurt.

I was always taught that the correct pronunciation of a man's name is of the utmost importance.
Excellent post RR. The ignorant Victorian pronunciation of Bruce's surname has always been like Chalk on a blackboard to me. Most irritating.

Not a scholar RIG?
...kidding! Smile

by rocket_rooster Tue Jul 26, 2016 7:53 pm

Chambo Off To Work We Go wrote:
robranisgod wrote:
rocket_rooster wrote:Speaking of Bruce McAvaney, did anyone else breathe a huge sigh of relief when Hamish McLachlan addressed the pronunciation of Bruce's surname.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/hamish-mclachlan-walks-through-bruce-mcavaneys-special-career/news-story/b6d51f289d8e78dad5e6eaaeedcf5d3f

Most good South Australian commentators like David Wildy, Chris Dittmar, Ray Fewings and latterly Graham Cornes have always got it right. Bruce says it didn't worry him but being such a stickler himself for correct pronunciation, deep down it must have hurt.

I was always taught that the correct pronunciation of a man's name is of the utmost importance.
Excellent post RR. The ignorant Victorian pronunciation of Bruce's surname has always been like Chalk on a blackboard to me. Most irritating.

Not a scholar RIG?
...kidding!

Apparently only a student of football.

by bayman Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:22 pm

i remember when Bruce was simply known as ''flash''

by bayman Sat Sep 24, 2016 4:30 pm

Famous points......

We've all heard of the famous Barry Breen point for St Kilda, now in Sanfl football is there any more famous a point than John Macfarlane when he hit the post as the tigers chased the magical 50 goal barrier?

Incidentally i think (on memory) his last two kicks were points

by Lee Sat Sep 24, 2016 5:50 pm

Was that from 'Snout's' pocket Smile

by bayman Sat Sep 24, 2016 8:02 pm

No, was to the Northern end

by Scrappy Wed Sep 28, 2016 8:01 am

Arguably the most amazing game of SANFL football
August 1975
Bayman Oval

GL..12-6...25-12...34-17...49-23[317]
CD...3-2....6-4......10-7....11-13 [79]

18-6 Freddy Phillis
11-13 Central Districts

Same amount of scoring shots by Fred and Centrals
But Big Fred won by 35 points
Did Fred wear his yellow boots that day ?
Has any other SANFL player beaten a team by himself by more than 35 points ?

It has been reported
41 minutes and 34 seconds of time on was played in this match
Would that be the most time on played in an SANFL game?
Perhaps in a game with injuries that 41:34 might have been exceeded?

This was the first time an SANFL team aggregated 300+ points in a SANFL match

by robranisgod Wed Sep 28, 2016 10:08 am

Scrappy wrote:Arguably the most amazing game of SANFL football
August 1975
Bayman Oval

GL..12-6...25-12...34-17...49-23[317]
CD...3-2....6-4......10-7....11-13 [79]

18-6 Freddy Phillis
11-13 Central Districts

Same amount of scoring shots by Fred and Centrals
But Big Fred won by 35 points
Did Fred wear his yellow boots that day ?
Has any other SANFL player beaten a team by himself by more than 35 points ?

It has been reported
41 minutes and 34 seconds of time on was played in this match
Would that be the most time on played in an SANFL game?
Perhaps in a game with injuries that 41:34 might have been exceeded?

This was the first time an SANFL team aggregated 300+ points in a SANFL match

That's and easy one Scrappy - Round 12 1940. North Adelaide - 26 goals 11 behinds West Torrens 8 goals 14.

K Farmer 23 goals 5 behinds

So Ken Farmer beat Torrens by 81 points if my maths is correct.

by Scrappy Thu Sep 29, 2016 3:25 pm

Spotted a West Torrens framed 1990 photograph today
Its the last team before the amalgamation in 1991 with Woodville

Some interesting people in the photo including
Bruce Lindsay
Laurence Schache
Leigh Robson
Wayne Wiedemann

Even Geoff Banger Baynes suited up in a guernsey for the occasion

Banger stats
13 games West Torrens
185 games South Adelaide
4 games Woodville
3 Premierships as CEO with Norwood

by bayman Mon Oct 03, 2016 8:54 pm

I've come across an online article but I don't know how to copy & paste from the phone presuming it can be done, anyway it says that Len Fitzgerald & his wife Beryl designed the Sturt guernsey as we know it today, it maybe common knowledge but I didn't know & found it interesting

by Chambo Off To Work We Go Mon Oct 03, 2016 10:22 pm

bayman wrote:I've come across an online article but I don't know how to copy & paste from the phone presuming it can be done, anyway it says that Len Fitzgerald & his wife Beryl designed the Sturt guernsey as we know it today, it maybe common knowledge but I didn't know & found it interesting

I think a lot would like Sturt to go back to the old version of the SFC logo. Me included.
I assume you mean the old one Bayman?
The newer logo came into being in the early 90s I think. But on a lighter version of the blue background. Didn't go for it much.

by bayman Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:07 am

Ok, the older one, I didn't realize there was a subtle change, anyway I thought it was interesting to read on our the design came about

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