Re: Your Best by the Numbers.

by Flag No.10 Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:24 pm

My memory of David Cheetham is as a full forward. Anyone?

by rocket_rooster Sun Jan 08, 2017 2:09 pm

Dave Cheetham was a full forward who kicked a lot of goals at seconds level but would have only played a handful of league games.

by rocket_rooster Sun Jan 08, 2017 2:17 pm

Brenton Adcock was a champion. When Mile Coward and Geoff Kingston rated the 40 best footballers of the first century of SANFL football they rated Adcock number 14. These things are subjective and I thought they rated him a little highly but they were both highly respected journalists. To give an idea of how highly they ranked Adcock, they ranked Bagshaw 29, Don Lindner 30 and Neil Kerley somewhere around 35. As I said these things are subjective but I would have Bagshaw and Lindner higber than Adcock.

by Lee Sun Jan 08, 2017 5:35 pm

Agree, 14 for Adcock is just silly, IMO.

by Chambo Off To Work We Go Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:23 pm

#15 today.

Here's a few...
John Halbert (St)
David Hynes (PA)
Sam Rudolph (G)
Allan Howard (NA)
Darren Trevena (SA)
Fred Bills (WT)
Xavier Gotch (SA)

by Lee Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:51 pm

Jack Pannenburg and Jamie Andriske for West

by waddayamean Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:27 pm

C.K wrote:Not sure there is much point posting this but anyway....few things annoy me more in SANFL than hearing the criticism from some fans and followers about James Allan and whether he should have won three Magarey Medals.

Comparing him to Barrie Robran and Lindsay Head as all being tr'iple Medallists makes as much sense as comparing Brant Chambers to Anthony "Bos" Daly. All played in different eras, with different conditions, equipment, rules etc and a player can only beat and be the best of the group of players he was competing against at the time. There is a reasonable argument that Allan should have won four Medals, but for being denied votes in the last round of 2009 and losing to teammate Rhys Archard (as well as West's James Ezard).

Allan certainly won uncontested possession but he was also one of the leading winners of contested possession in his time in our league and while it could be argued that his disposal was a little awry at times, I find it very hard to fathom how some can be critical of his output and quality of impact. Even when crossing to Norwood, he was a very sound contributor in a very good team. Possibly one knock on him was not being a prolific goalkicker but there aren't many who regularly get it 35 times and kick 3+ goals a game. His role in his teams wasn't overly suited to that.

In my mind, Allan should stand proudly as a triple Magarey Medallist and not have to have some unusual virtual asterisk next to his name for supposedly being considered "lucky" to win them. We don't compare Dan Moriarty to Ebert, for example, yet both stand proud as multiple Medallists. I have been fortunate in seeing many of the greats such as Russell Ebert, Michael Aish, Stephen Kernahan, Peter Motley, Craig Bradley and John Platten close up through years of following our league and while Allan may not have been as polished as some, he has to be compared to those he was opposing at the time, rather than whether he "would have" won a Medal against the likes of Ebert. One of the best I've seen in over 40 years of SANFL, personally and I know that will rankle with some long term followers. So be it.

I will try ths attempt again. Not sure why it was deleted initially. Agree CK. I said the same but it was challenged .Yours hasn't been . Maybe it will soon. Common sense post.

by waddayamean Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:49 pm

Big Phil wrote:From a Dogs point of view, there is one standout...

Paul Thomas has a great record.

269 x League games
9 x Seasons Captain or Co-Captain
6 x League Premierships
1 x Reserves Premiership
4 x Bob Quinn Medals
2 x CDFC B&F's
1 x Magarey Medal 2014
7 x Advertiser Team of Year
8 x SANFL State Representation
4 x SANFL State Captain
8 x AFL Games Essendon
1 x CDFC Playing Life Member 2011

A pretty impressive football resume in anyone's language.

Not in the same class as pre AFL but post both AFL teams, a great player . Hard and fair . Heaps of praise given to the Gowans but this guy was actually legitimately hard and fair . One of their best in that era . I might have missed it as I haven't been on for awhile but has Scott Dutschke ( no idea of his number ) been mentioned ? I am thinking 13 but could be wrong. Another tough player in that era. Tough and fair those two. The term tough gets thrown around too too easily . Usually given to the gutless snipers. Not these two. Great players .

by Flag No.10 Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:50 pm

Some recent 15s:

Logan Hill - West.
Jace Bode - Norwood and Sturt.
Nick Amato - North.
Ben Nason - Centrals.
Angus Rowntree - WWT.
Daniel Motlop - North.
Kristian De Pasquale - Port.
Lee Spurr - Centrals.
David Hill - North.

by Flag No.10 Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:52 pm

Some less recent 15s:

Nigel Wark - Sturt.
Robert Riley - Woodville.
Dick Mortimer - South.
Bob Pascoe - North.
Ken Tierney - Port.
Denis Mitchell - Torrens.
Brian Slattery - West.
John Brearley - North.
John Graham - Torrens.
Peter May - North.
Brian Holmes - Port.
John Burton - Norwood.
Peter Haines - South.
Darryl Hewitt - West.

by waddayamean Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:04 pm

Just on 16. David Marshall was superb player. Highly skillful and a pleasure to watch. Not sure you can compare Marshall to F Evans as Marshall was elite and oh and Evans is No.7 . Just need the Benny Hill music.

by Chambo Off To Work We Go Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:15 pm

Evans wore 16 for his first 2 or 3 seasons.

by waddayamean Mon Jan 09, 2017 12:30 am

Chambo Off To Work We Go wrote:Evans wore 16 for his first 2 or 3 seasons.

Would have thought he was better as a 7 though. Played in flag as No 7 so most would put him there . Ohhhh but not you Chambo. Good on ya mate lol

by kingrooster Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:34 am

Trent Sporn wore 15 when he returned from Carlton.

by Lee Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:06 am

Re Adcock. Any record of Sturt's B & F's through his career?

by Chambo Off To Work We Go Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:35 am

waddayamean wrote:
Chambo Off To Work We Go wrote:Evans wore 16 for his first 2 or 3 seasons.

Would have thought he was better as a 7 though. Played in flag as No 7 so most would put him there . Ohhhh but not you Chambo. Good on ya mate lol

If you had bothered to follow this thread W, we have been listing players who wore various numbers, some who played a lot of games, some not. There has been various debate on players swapping numbers and which number they played most of their career in.
It is not that easy to research this and I thank all contributors to this thread who have made corrections or provided further background.
I do appreciate it.

However, for your benefit W, as you clearly don't get it, I merely commented that Fraser Evans did wear #16.
Maybe he has been better in #7, but this is the type of thing we have been discussing for 22 pages or so.
I fail to see why you would take offense. Rolling Eyes

by Chambo Off To Work We Go Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:43 am

Lee wrote:Re Adcock. Any record of Sturt's B & F's through his career?

He never won one Lee.
In the time he played the B&F was won by Halbert, Bagshaw, Clarkson, Casey, Short, Schoff and Davies.

A bit of background info.

Inducted Sturt Hall of Fame: 2004

Playing Record
- Played 259 games
- Kicked 6 goals for Sturt 1962-1974

Premierships
- 1966,1967,1968,1969, 1970,1974

Matches for State
- 20 games for SA

Achievements
-All Australian 1966
- Player Life Member of Sturt 1969
- Player Life Member of SANFL
- Inaugural Member of the South Australian Football Hall of Fame 2002
- Member of the Sturt Team of the Century

I agree (re Top 40 thread), he is far too high at a rank of 14.
Regardless who should be above him, Bagshaw just could not be below him. Baggy has 4 B&Fs as does Halbert who didn't even make the list despite a Magarey.

by Chambo Off To Work We Go Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:49 am

Jack Halbert's record...

Inducted Sturt Hall of Fame: 2004

Playing Record
- Played 243 games
- kicked 253 goals
- Sturt 1955-1968
- Captain of Sturt 1962-1968

Premierships
1966

Matches for State
- 16 games for SA

Achievements

- Winner of the Magarey Medal 1961
- Runner Up in theMagarey Medal 1955,1958,1960
- Four Time Best & Fairest for Sturt 1958,1960, 1961,1964
- Vice Captain of Sturt 1959-1961
- All Australian 1961
- Player Life Member of Sturt 1963
- Player Life Member of SANFL
- Life Member of SANFL 1986
- Awarded MBE
- Awarded AM
- Inaugural Member of the South Australian Football Hall of Fame 2002
- Member of the Sturt Team of the Century

by Flag No.10 Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:58 am

waddayamean wrote:Just on 16. David Marshall was superb player. Highly skillful and a pleasure to watch. Not sure you can compare Marshall to F Evans as Marshall was elite and oh and Evans is No.7 . Just need the Benny Hill music.

You just need a bit of bacon to go with that egg on your face and you've got breakfast sorted.

by Waitingfor#14 Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:00 am

Hi foot e times. Have followed posts for years without contributing (am nwd supporter) and loved the discussion, banter, rumours etc between genuine footy supporters regardless of side supported. Love seeing the sanfl discussions and glad to see passion and interest in this 140 year old plus institution of SA footy. Never supported crows and can't go power and am devastated there are reserves sides with top ups in our great comp. Also enjoyed following Chambo, Lee, big Phil, flag 10, southee blueandwhite bayman and many other regulars and irregulars. What prompts me to comment after years is seeing trolling and negative comments from contributer w supporting unnamed side. Unless you require mental help ( if so I apologise) please leave this site to genuine posters. Six months of trolling is enough. Sure love a disagreement, debate etc and really do welcome it but leave the crap behind. The sanfl is under enough threat without internal bickering aimed at genuine followers from within. Anyway, love the thread, site and most obviously the sanfl in general. Now waiting for 14...

by waddayamean Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:06 am

I am flattered , you did all that for me. Just because someone doesn't agree and posts it doesn't make them a troll. However if you disagree with some of the above mentioned it seems to make you one. So one post from you and it is a troll but you are trying to hide it in another discussion. It is Talking Footy SA not foot e times.

by Chambo Off To Work We Go Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:13 am

Waitingfor#14 wrote:Hi foot e times. Have followed posts for years without contributing (am nwd supporter) and loved the discussion, banter, rumours etc between genuine footy supporters regardless of side supported. Love seeing the sanfl discussions and glad to see passion and interest in this 140 year old plus institution of SA footy. Never supported crows and can't go power and am devastated there are reserves sides with top ups in our great comp. Also enjoyed following Chambo, Lee, big Phil, flag 10, southee blueandwhite bayman and many other regulars and irregulars. What prompts me to comment after years is seeing trolling and negative comments from contributer w supporting unnamed side. Unless you require mental help ( if so I apologise) please leave this site to genuine posters. Six months of trolling is enough. Sure love a disagreement, debate etc and really do welcome it but leave the crap behind. The sanfl is under enough threat without internal bickering aimed at genuine followers from within. Anyway, love the thread, site and most obviously the sanfl in general. Now waiting for 14...

Cheers, WF14.
No prizes for guessing who you're waiting for. Wink

by Lee Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:26 am

Waitingfor#14 wrote:Hi foot e times. Have followed posts for years without contributing (am nwd supporter) and loved the discussion, banter, rumours etc between genuine footy supporters regardless of side supported. Love seeing the sanfl discussions and glad to see passion and interest in this 140 year old plus institution of SA footy. Never supported crows and can't go power and am devastated there are reserves sides with top ups in our great comp. Also enjoyed following Chambo, Lee, big Phil, flag 10, southee blueandwhite bayman and many other regulars and irregulars. What prompts me to comment after years is seeing trolling and negative comments from contributer w supporting unnamed side. Unless you require mental help ( if so I apologise) please leave this site to genuine posters. Six months of trolling is enough. Sure love a disagreement, debate etc and really do welcome it but leave the crap behind. The sanfl is under enough threat without internal bickering aimed at genuine followers from within. Anyway, love the thread, site and most obviously the sanfl in general. Now waiting for 14...

Welcome WF14, enjoy the forum.

by Scrappy Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:28 am

Chambo Off To Work We Go wrote:
Waitingfor#14 wrote:Hi foot e times. Have followed posts for years without contributing (am nwd supporter) and loved the discussion, banter, rumours etc between genuine footy supporters regardless of side supported. Love seeing the sanfl discussions and glad to see passion and interest in this 140 year old plus institution of SA footy. Never supported crows and can't go power and am devastated there are reserves sides with top ups in our great comp. Also enjoyed following Chambo, Lee, big Phil, flag 10, southee blueandwhite bayman and many other regulars and irregulars. What prompts me to comment after years is seeing trolling and negative comments from contributer w supporting unnamed side. Unless you require mental help ( if so I apologise) please leave this site to genuine posters. Six months of trolling is enough. Sure love a disagreement, debate etc and really do welcome it but leave the crap behind. The sanfl is under enough threat without internal bickering aimed at genuine followers from within. Anyway, love the thread, site and most obviously the sanfl in general. Now waiting for 14...

Cheers, WF14.
No prizes for guessing who you're waiting for.

Mark Evans ?

by Lee Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:30 am

Chambo, re Adcock, I'd put Halbert, Bagshaw and Davies well in front of Brenton, with Schoff at about the same level.

Not taking anything away from Adcock as a terrific player over a long period, but the others mentioned were at a different level, IMO.

PS: When we get to No 10, can we make it a 'who was the best No 10, bar Barrie'?

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