What's Not

bigclock wrote:Feeling pretty low at the moment TBH, things just aren't going as planned.

Hang in there, mate. Let's hope things change for the better.

redandblack wrote:

bigclock wrote:Feeling pretty low at the moment TBH, things just aren't going as planned.

Hang in there, mate.  Let's hope things change for the better.  

Yes what R&B said BC.

chin up

Gingernuts wrote:In a world of pain this morning. Slept at some very awkward angles last night after my little daughter decided to take up most of the bed, and then BANG my back went out this morning taking the rubbish out.

Walking like an 80 year old.  

It's amazing how you can do something so simple and your back gets put out.
I remember years ago bending to pick a plate up off the lounge - and bang - back out - could not move!

Hope it gets better soon GN.

A Mum wrote:

Gingernuts wrote:In a world of pain this morning. Slept at some very awkward angles last night after my little daughter decided to take up most of the bed, and then BANG my back went out this morning taking the rubbish out.

Walking like an 80 year old.  

It's amazing how you can do something so simple and your back gets put out.
I remember years ago bending to pick a plate up off the lounge - and bang - back out - could not move!

Hope it gets better soon GN.

I'm only 32 for crying out loud! This isn't supposed to happen to a youngster like me!  

Too much lawn bowls   

Whoever said 32 is young was a liar. 

No he isn't

Over loaded with work at the moment - this could be a positive given work = $$ - but so tiring *sigh*

Asylum seekers continually drowning and nothing being done about it... Seriously what has this country become. Disgusting!

We agree, bc.

Whatever we may think is the right or wrong policy, asylum seekers are people, with hopes and dreams like all of us. When we see men, women and children drowning, there has to be a better way.

Was shocked whilst watching lateline - 612 deaths at sea since 2009 and nothing is being done.

If the deaths of asylum seekers is not enough the trauma and stress put onto our defence personal is immense. I'm disgusted at our current stance.

To think Tony Abbot cops **** for saying we must stop the boats! Rudds legacy is over 1100 deaths - disgusting!

Abbott isn't saying he'll stop them drowning, he's simply saying he'll turn them round and make them sail off somewhere else. Whether that's even possible is another matter. Anyways, I don't see how an Australian politician on any side of politics can be blamed for people overseas wanting to escape poverty and oppression any way they can.

2 Funerals in 7 days.

bc, your last post has been deleted, as we made it clear a while ago that political posts would be deleted. We have left one post from each poster on this issue to be fair to a continuing discussion, but no more, please.

By all means continue to discuss the asylum seeker issue, but we ask all posters to avoid turning this into a party political debate, within the bounds of reasonable discussion.

Thanks to all posters.

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Well can i say that what is not cool is the increase in boat arrivals since 2007.

I'm sick of innocent people dying because of it! That is not cool!

Please click on the image to see when arrivals increased dramatically to todays insane levels and make up your own minds people.

*Delete at your will, admin*

Are these people not trying to enter Australia illegally? Dont be fooled that they are innocent, they know the risk they are taking.

Innocent or not they are putting their lives and the lives of their families (edited).

Remember Booney these people don't have many other options and are fleeing in the majority of cases war torn countries. (Edited)

It is not illegal to enter Australia and seek refugee status. And currently approximately 85% of asylum seekers are found to be genuine refugees.

Oh dear, to keep away from party politics on this, I'll just say it is not, repeat NOT, illegal for them to seek asylum.

I'll also say that 353 people drowned when just one boat sank in 2001, the infamous SIEV X disaster, so it's not something that has just happened in the last six or seven years.

It is a difficult and complex world-wide problem and many other countries have far larger numbers to deal with.

I'd think there are many 'economic refugees' amongst the recent arrivals, but I'd be just as sure the majority are fleeing persecution and harm. That's what the evidence says.

Far from being afraid of such numbers and where they come from, I judge people on who they are and take into account their circumstances.

IMO, it shouldn't be a party political issue anyway. It's an humanitarian issue and it should be a bi-partisan approach to deal with it.

bc, you continue to bring party politics into this discussion.

This is a final warning, please do not continue to do so.

I feel like I am living in China with all this moderating. I am now not allowed post quotes or statistics if it is related to the government of our country?

Hang on just going outside to see if I still live in Australia.  

Receiving a final warning for being compassionate and caring. WOW WEE!

The warning was for the parts we edited. Bc, which were direct political party references.

Please keep to the spirit of our repeated warning.

R&B - you are correct. It is legal for them to seek asylum, just not in Australia once they have arrived in Indonesia.
The UN Convention on refugees does not allow country shopping. Once you arrive at a country where you have no reasonable fear of persecution you are entitled to apply for refugee status and be processed in acordance with the UN treaty.
If you then decide to pay someone to put you on a boat to Australia you are not a refugee here, you are an illegal immigrant.

and yet it continues another 60 dead or missing at sea... can you imagine the uproar if these people were Australian nationals.

Do I even mention the rape and torture that has been exposed on Manus Island? Nice way to care for these people.